tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466695305125791022.post8088609130472521600..comments2024-03-13T08:16:23.560-07:00Comments on Indigenous Boats: Homer's Ships - Two ViewsBob Holtzmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05878339327766256094noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466695305125791022.post-40662850232735923502011-05-23T18:26:47.649-07:002011-05-23T18:26:47.649-07:00Anonymous:
Thanks for the reference. I saw some of...Anonymous:<br />Thanks for the reference. I saw some of Sam Manning's original illustrations to Lords of the Sea pre-publication during a Xmas party at his home. But I haven't read the book. One more for the list!Bob Holtzmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05878339327766256094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466695305125791022.post-56581203259997748162011-05-23T18:24:48.301-07:002011-05-23T18:24:48.301-07:00Edwin:
Is Monoxylon II by Radomir Tichy available ...Edwin:<br />Is Monoxylon II by Radomir Tichy available in translation? The only references I can find appear to be in Czech.<br />While it may not sink readily, Landstrom's boat would certainly swamp easily. It would take just one inconvenient wave to fill it. I would think that in choppy seas, even a skilled crew might not be able to avoid swamping, and might not be able to empty it once swamped. I'm not aware of any sea-crossings that have been done in comparable monohull dugouts -- is there info. in Tichy (or anywhere else) to the contrary?Bob Holtzmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05878339327766256094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466695305125791022.post-58723496380809886012011-05-23T09:30:58.099-07:002011-05-23T09:30:58.099-07:00Bob, Checkout the book "Lords of the Sea:The ...Bob, Checkout the book "Lords of the Sea:The Epic Story of the Athenian Navy and Birth of Democracy" author John R. Hale and Illustrated by a neighbor of yours in Maine, Sam ManningAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466695305125791022.post-54026608624315914882011-05-23T02:18:25.705-07:002011-05-23T02:18:25.705-07:00In terms of sea-worthiness it should be remembered...In terms of sea-worthiness it should be remembered that logboat with realtively thick sides and bottom does, when dry, possess buoyancy of material so a fair bit of water can be tolerated in board before sinking. Enthusiastic bailing could have made the difference and bailing was probably necessary in plank-sewn boats anyway. The hull of the dugout is as homogenous as a modern fibre-glass one. More dangerous might have been a problem in large logboats of water sloshing to and fro to cause a capsize, sadly we now call this the RORO effect following that ferry disaster.Edwin Deadyhttp://dark-age-boats.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466695305125791022.post-74800213098168020592011-05-23T01:43:38.388-07:002011-05-23T01:43:38.388-07:00I think that the "dug-out" interpretatio...I think that the "dug-out" interpretation is the correct one for the earliest vessels but either these or slightly later versions would be a little more sophisticated in that they were following the classic 5 piece canoe known from the Pacific to the Baltic. This is solid stem and stern sewn to one keel and two side planks. Boats like the Hjortspring go further and have two planks a side.<br /><br />It is a very easy method of construction and does not rely on the size of an original tree for its finished size. <br /><br />However, see the book Monoxylon II by Radomir Tichy to see how seaworthy in the mediterrabean a simple dugout could be, with a bit of finishing their craft could have looked like the Achean's.Edwin Deadyhttp://dark-age-boats.co.uknoreply@blogger.com