tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466695305125791022.post8104410712292453703..comments2024-03-13T08:16:23.560-07:00Comments on Indigenous Boats: Surf Boats in India and PortugalBob Holtzmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05878339327766256094noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466695305125791022.post-89277021716573201882013-10-24T08:53:07.187-07:002013-10-24T08:53:07.187-07:00If you look at the last picture you can see one of...If you look at the last picture you can see one of the larger boast with an inscription of “S. Paio”. This is the patron Saint of the town of Torreira. A closer look will reveal the logs under the boat as they prepare for another trip out. The wooden object hanging out the side is one of the oars and not a mast. The bulls in the front of the picture are pulling in the net.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466695305125791022.post-27601763716597052722013-10-24T08:41:59.574-07:002013-10-24T08:41:59.574-07:00I was born in Portaugal in Torreira and they still...I was born in Portaugal in Torreira and they still use these boats to this day for fishing. Although they have adopted outboard engines for the smaller boast the larger ones are still launched by the use of man power. My Grandfather used to fish from these boats since that is their primary used for as long as I can recall. The boats used to be launched by rolling them on logs to a set distance from shore as the tide was rising or at its highest peak. The men would then push then into the surf as the waves crashed on the shore and helped lift the weight of the boat. The current, when it retracts, actually assists in pulling the boat into the surf. I was told that every sixth or so wave is actually larger in size than the ones before and the next few, although I have never counted for myself. When the boat was buoyant enough the oversize oars (that could have two to three men on each), were dropped into the water and used to push the boat out. Timing is key in the process, as well as experience in knowing when there was enough water under the boat that made the use of the oars possible. The bulls are used to pull the boat on shore and then used to pull the massive fishing netAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466695305125791022.post-15874108415212656412013-09-10T23:51:00.296-07:002013-09-10T23:51:00.296-07:00The XVI century is very recent,in terms of the sea...The XVI century is very recent,in terms of the seafaring history of India and Southeast Asia.<br />Those people have been boat building for thousands of years.The Middle east,the Mediterranium and Western Europe adopted all that technology.Is well proven.<br />And I speak as a Portuguese.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466695305125791022.post-43282090823336812552013-07-29T06:16:25.710-07:002013-07-29T06:16:25.710-07:00Quite the opposite!
Portuguese brought this and ot...Quite the opposite!<br />Portuguese brought this and other technologies of the time, to India, after being the first westerns to travel to this country by sea in the XVI century!Antoniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01674947849135360921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466695305125791022.post-6897114228470958182013-04-13T16:32:13.278-07:002013-04-13T16:32:13.278-07:00It is also possible that the types did migrate fro...It is also possible that the types did migrate from India to the Middle East and then on to Europe. That is the path that coinage did take as well. Indus civilization predates Ur itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466695305125791022.post-87781774896461595182010-12-17T09:18:10.864-08:002010-12-17T09:18:10.864-08:00Antonio Fangueiro,
On your site you delineate a h...Antonio Fangueiro,<br /><br />On your site you delineate a history of the Barco do Mar that takes it back to Mesopotamia. It is probable that while the Barco do Mar traveled west with the Mediterranean peoples the type also traveled east – just a little distance – to India.<br /><br />These boats, as with many of the Portuguese flat-bottomed types clearly have ancient middle eastern roots. They have a deep and wonderful history!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466695305125791022.post-47731717304814850562010-06-16T02:35:46.233-07:002010-06-16T02:35:46.233-07:00Hi Bob.
Thanks for publishing some material on th...Hi Bob.<br /><br />Thanks for publishing some material on this comparison. In Portugal, the way to "put" the boat into the surf is by manpower, waiting the right and favourable wave movement. Then immediately the men on board pull the massive oars to get out of the wave breaking as quick as possible. These boats don´t use any form of masts/sails. In the past they were huge boats, with 4 massive oars, and 30-40 men onboard. Nowadays they are only the smaller type, with 2 oars and already with outboard engines adapted. The bulls are used to pull the boats into the sand.<br />On the Kerala examples, it´s very interesting to note that the boats are not carvel built. They are sewn, as tradition of Indian coasts.<br /><br />Regards,<br />António Fangueiro<br />www.caxinas-a-freguesia.blogs.sapo.ptfangueiro.antoniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795251275449324760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466695305125791022.post-66476080214404640622010-06-15T03:46:23.164-07:002010-06-15T03:46:23.164-07:00Thanks Michael.
One more thing I noticed: the xave...Thanks Michael.<br />One more thing I noticed: the xavega is going out through the surf without any visible propulsion -- no oars in use. I wonder how.Bob Holtzmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05878339327766256094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466695305125791022.post-2770137562036259022010-06-14T20:23:55.334-07:002010-06-14T20:23:55.334-07:00The Indian boat looks like a canoe and the arte xa...The Indian boat looks like a canoe and the arte xavega looks like a dory. Of couse it's the arte xavega I find most attractive. I've never seen either of these boats before (which is why I peruse your research).<br />Thank you,<br />dorymandorymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16077373149267825091noreply@blogger.com